Career 馃嵐 PinaColada - A Double 1KC Attempt

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Great update mate! Flowed really well and a fantastic read. Some very good transfers in there, Rajkovic and Amavi among them. Tactically, you seem secure, although the goals is聽slightly worrying ( I can't say anything, in my save I only score 39 with Ajax聽:laugh:) but I'm sure with your tactical expertise and a transfer here and there, the lads will smash it! Keep up the good work mate!

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2 minutes ago, mcandrew003 said:

Great update mate! Flowed really well and a fantastic read. Some very good transfers in there, Rajkovic and Amavi among them. Tactically, you seem secure, although the goals isn't slightly worrying ( I can't say anything, in my save I only score 39 with Ajax聽:laugh:) but I'm sure with your tactical expertise and a transfer here and there, the lads will smash it! Keep up the good work mate!

Thanks mate! It was a bit long though wasn't it? :)聽They won't all be that long, but lots happens at the start of a career and I caught it all this time around...

The lack of goals is the big worry, but that will come. With the Armstrong career, Celtic were scoring between 110 and 130 goals in the league at our peak. I'm planning to get there again, but need four or five seasons leveling up the players to get to that point.

That said, I was truly surprised by only getting 47 in the league. In contrast, Armstrong got 53 himself (in all competitions) in my first season with him. But then he was 19 and a ready made goal scorer, but these lads were 16 and 17...聽

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I didn't mind the length, it was jammed with info, so I quite enjoyed it!聽

If my Maths is correct ( it probably isn't聽:laugh:) out of the 2000 goals Your after, you currently have it 2.1% of the goals required. Not the most beautiful number, but I'm confident you will hit + 25 with both of them next year!聽

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I actually really enjoyed the lengthy first update, it was almost necessary 馃榾 I'm intrigued as to how you got so much for your players, I always struggle to sell Janko and聽McGregor for more than 1.5/2 mil lol

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57 minutes ago, mcandrew003 said:

I didn't mind the length, it was jammed with info, so I quite enjoyed it!聽

If my Maths is correct ( it probably isn't聽:laugh:) out of the 2000 goals Your after, you currently have it 2.1% of the goals required. Not the most beautiful number, but I'm confident you will hit + 25 with both of them next year!聽

Thanks! It took quite a while to put it all together, so glad it's worthwhile. I was actually worried it was too long. I'm sure it is for some people.

I haven't done that particular maths, thankfully. If I had,聽I'd probably lose all hope! Only 2.1%? This isn't gonna work! :)

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And I thought I did long updates, damn that was a lot to take in haha.聽

Start wise I'm not sure you could ask for much more tbh, both are young and done decently well, in terms聽of making headway towards a 2k target it does make it ever so daunting though haha. Decent start on the DT challenge though :P. This is why I usually use 19-20 year olds as I hate playing these dragging seasons waiting for players to develop lol, thankfully they are entertaining to read however ;).聽

A 442 or any two up top formations are my least favourite in the game, it's a shape I just don't like or feel happy with. Like my 433 is awesome but dropping one striker back and it falls apart, if I drop two strikers back it works again lol, two strikers is just hard to balance IMO.聽

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55 minutes ago, Brenty92 said:

I actually really enjoyed the lengthy first update, it was almost necessary 馃榾 I'm intrigued as to how you got so much for your players, I always struggle to sell Janko and聽McGregor for more than 1.5/2 mil lol

Thanks!

It's a real mystery to me as well. When I did the Armstrong career, I got a lot less for the same players. But that was with an older version of FMM 2017, so maybe they tweaked the transfer fees for Scotland or something. Or maybe it is because I just have Scotland loaded. Who knows! But now I'm getting a lot more, but I'm also paying a lot more. On my first aborted save, I picked up Pinamonti and Colidio for about 拢5M or 拢6M combined, whereas this time they were about 拢14M.聽

I should point out that Janko was almost double his list price and it only got so high because of an auction... Gotta love those!

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1 minute ago, Ashez said:

And I thought I did long updates, damn that was a lot to take in haha.聽

Start wise I'm not sure you could ask for much more tbh, both are young and done decently well, in terms聽of making headway towards a 2k target it does make it ever so daunting though haha. Decent start on the DT challenge though :P. This is why I usually use 19-20 year olds as I hate playing these dragging seasons waiting for players to develop lol, thankfully they are entertaining to read however ;).聽

A 442 or any two up top formations are my least favourite in the game, it's a shape I just don't like or feel happy with. Like my 433 is awesome but dropping one striker back and it falls apart, if I drop two strikers back it works again lol, two strikers is just hard to balance IMO.聽

Thanks! I totally get what you're saying on starting with 19-20 year old instead of kids. The first season was pretty damn frustrating, especially when Pinamonti went a couple of months without a goal!聽But I'm going to need every last season I can get with this. 聽I'll take 15 goals when they're 17 and I'll take 12 goals when they're 40 and everything in between, and I might just scrape over the line,聽LOL. :)

I really haven't been able to find a tactic I'm happy with. 3 at the back seems harder with this year's version, as they just attack us down the flanks and that opens us up for goals. So I want 4 at the back. But I really want 3 in central midfield. With just 2, I can't seem to dominate matches... So 4 at the back and 3 in central midfield, then I either go 4 3 1 winger and 2 strikers (but then they go down the other wing) or maybe I聽need to consider a 4 3 3 (but then I lose Pavon). Tricky...

I haven't tried 3 upfront yet, but I聽have been thinking about it. I used my 2 5 3 relatively successfully with Armstrong when he got older, and that's the tactic I'm heading for eventually,聽but I just don't have the players to pull off 2 at the back yet. I was wondering about a 2 2 wingbacks 3 3, but haven't actually given it a go yet (mainly because there's no room for Pavon). But maybe it's time. Or maybe a 4 3 3 (I used that for years until a couple of versions ago).

Man, so many choices! But thanks, I think you've convinced me to experiment with 3 up front.聽

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Strange lol the mysteries of fmm 馃槀 Never mind, can't wait for next update!

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1 minute ago, Brenty92 said:

Strange lol the mysteries of fmm 馃槀 Never mind, can't wait for next update!

You got that right. The thing is I chose Celtic because I thought I knew exactly what I was getting myself into, only to find that everything is a little different, LOL...

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Good start. Have you considered trying both as AF? I know it's not conventional but maybe they'll hold up the ball for each other and as a result score more?

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4 minutes ago, veerus said:

Good start. Have you considered trying both as AF? I know it's not conventional but maybe they'll hold up the ball for each other and as a result score more?

Hmm, interesting thought, thanks! I've always had more goal scoring success with Poachers that I didn't even consider it, but that sounds worth a try. Might give it a go, although right now, I'm planning to make them both Poachers with a DLF or even a DF (or even a TM) in between them.

I'm entering a stage of experimentation here and would love any advice!! Would 2 poachers even work with someone between them? Which of those 3 options would be best? etc!聽Thanks in advance.聽

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Hey man, just caught up. Very much looking forward to seeing how you get on! I think the formation could well be all important here... I do worry that the 4-2-2-2 is putting too much defensive responsibility on your midfielders.

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Maybe not the start you wanted but Armstrong took a while if I remember so KIU

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Good start mate. The first season is always a "mess" with loads of players leaving and coming into the club, testing formations etc so it's hard to predict a fair number of goals you want your guys to score, never mind such a young duo. As long as there's progression.聽

Nice touch on the training. I do the same unless I opt for a pressing/committed tackling type of play (which doesn't seem very effective tho on this EME) and my poor-tackling strikers get booked too often. In that case I leave the def train for strikers as it is.

Those penalties聽:laugh: epic!

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8 hours ago, Mr.Manager said:

Hey man, just caught up. Very much looking forward to seeing how you get on! I think the formation could well be all important here... I do worry that the 4-2-2-2 is putting too much defensive responsibility on your midfielders.

Thanks mate, I'm trying a 2 2 3 3 at the moment and it seems to be working fairly well, although the goals aren't necessarily going to the right people, so further tweaking is necessary.

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7 hours ago, Taff said:

Maybe not the start you wanted but Armstrong took a while if I remember so KIU

Armstrong actually had 53 goals in the first season, which is a lot more than these guys, but he was older and more experience and ready for it. These guys will get there in a season or two, so I'm not worried at this point...

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7 hours ago, BatiGoal said:

Good start mate. The first season is always a "mess" with loads of players leaving and coming into the club, testing formations etc so it's hard to predict a fair number of goals you want your guys to score, never mind such a young duo. As long as there's progression.聽

Nice touch on the training. I do the same unless I opt for a pressing/committed tackling type of play (which doesn't seem very effective tho on this EME) and my poor-tackling strikers get booked too often. In that case I leave the def train for strikers as it is.

Those penalties聽:laugh: epic!

Thanks mate! I actually like the first season a lot because I like shaping that mess! Hoping for more goals this season as we get a little more settled and they age up, but all going to plan.

I do actually switch training around occasionally for the defenders: once I'm happy with their聽defensive attributes, I might switch it around to work on their passing, etc. But normally don't change attackers because I'm not playing the pressing game in FMM 2017 (strikers wear out too quickly).

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For those interested, this is the formation I'm trying out now (with Attacking Direct and Centre, although sometimes with Short instead):

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It's basically the 2 5 3 I used in the closing stages of Armstrong's career, except with the Wingers droping back a line to Wingbacks.聽

It's working better than the shapes we tried last year and we seem to be scoring more goals, but ...聽it's not necessarily PinaColada who are scoring. :(

I guess they just need some more seasoning... I'll persist with this one for now (10 games into the league season).

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1 hour ago, scratch99 said:

For those interested, this is the formation I'm trying out now (with Attacking Direct and Centre, although sometimes with Short instead):

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It's basically the 2 5 3 I used in the closing stages of Armstrong's career, except with the Wingers droping back a line to Wingbacks.

It's working better than the shapes we tried last year and we seem to be scoring more goals, but ...聽it's not necessarily PinaColada who are scoring. :(

I guess they just need some more seasoning... I'll persist with this one for now (10 games into the league season).

Thanks for sharing. How is Coludo doing as a DLF? I've never really used it but I had assumed it wasn't the best for goals. Could you push Ciftci back to an AM role and leave just the main two upfront?

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10 hours ago, Mr.Manager said:

Thanks for sharing. How is Coludo doing as a DLF? I've never really used it but I had assumed it wasn't the best for goals. Could you push Ciftci back to an AM role and leave just the main two upfront?

I'm still playing around with the roles, but the DLF P DLF was what I used with Armstrong and the DLFs seemed to be able to score fairly well. I tried P DLF P (with them both as P) but the DLF scored more than they did! I thought he'd be setting things up for them. I also tried Colidio in a AF role, but didn't notice much difference.

Actually I just noticed this - it seems all my forwards get "Shoots From Distance" when they are in the DLF role:

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I guess that explains why they score okay from out there (if they are accurate). I guess I will change the third forward to a DF instead of a DLF as I don't really want them taking those shots.聽

As for using an AM聽instead of the third forward: I actually like that idea a lot conceptually (it makes sense!), but I haven't had much luck with that in the past. It is on the list of things to try if this doesn't work out though.

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Need to do a bit more testing on EME but from what I've seen so far the CF role is similar to the CM one in midfield in terms of complementation. In my formations CMs basically complement the other role(s) in midfield depending on what's lacking. CF would in that case act mostly as a provider if placed between out and out "goalscorers", Poachers. But tricky part is that only worldclass players make good CFs.

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Starting to hate the fact I can't browse Vibe ATM without getting this stupid song stuck in my head :P, even had the missus singing it the other day haha. I say聽all careers need a hook and damn this has a good one!聽

Tactics wise one suggestion I have is to try the spare striker as an ADF at FL or R as they can act like wingers sonewhat. Tbh I've not experimented much with it this year but I did a lot last year but not in a system like this. Would also likely need a reshuffling of the MC line though but in theory you could drop the WB on that side back and go a tad more attacking in midfield. Regarding DF's I don't find they do much as they never tackle or intercept the ball and from experience pace is vital for the role, they oddly attract a lot of headers and also score more than you'd think. Played聽around alot with it last year and my DF was scoring 35-50 goals with ease, it's one the many roles that doesn't work as expected or do what you'd think it would tbh.聽

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5 hours ago, BatiGoal said:

Need to do a bit more testing on EME but from what I've seen so far the CF role is similar to the CM one in midfield in terms of complementation. In my formations CMs basically complement the other role(s) in midfield depending on what's lacking. CF would in that case act mostly as a provider if placed between out and out "goalscorers", Poachers. But tricky part is that only worldclass players make good CFs.

Hmm, interesting. Hadn't considered that. I never use CFs because I'm worried they aren't good enough (and also because I don't really understand the role), but if I get a world class partner for them, I'll give it a go. Thanks!聽

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5 hours ago, Ashez said:

Starting to hate the fact I can't browse Vibe ATM without getting this stupid song stuck in my head :P, even had the missus singing it the other day haha. I say聽all careers need a hook and damn this has a good one!聽

Tactics wise one suggestion I have is to try the spare striker as an ADF at FL or R as they can act like wingers sonewhat. Tbh I've not experimented much with it this year but I did a lot last year but not in a system like this. Would also likely need a reshuffling of the MC line though but in theory you could drop the WB on that side back and go a tad more attacking in midfield. Regarding DF's I don't find they do much as they never tackle or intercept the ball and from experience pace is vital for the role, they oddly attract a lot of headers and also score more than you'd think. Played聽around alot with it last year and my DF was scoring 35-50 goals with ease, it's one the many roles that doesn't work as expected or do what you'd think it would tbh.聽

Good, good, the song will be back in the charts in no time at this rate!! My master plan is working.:D

Interesting idea about the wide DF. I haven't considered going wide at all, but maybe I should. The last time I went wide (mid Armstrong career), I went with DLFs to keep them back and create more space, but might try DF there as well. Sounds like they score too much though!聽Although in the first game after I went DF P DLF we scored 7 goals and the DF didn't get any of them. We haven't scored more than 1 or 2 per game since though, so I need change it up again.

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